mapMonkeys Help Test Modern Warfare 2 Multiplayer Beta

[JDogg]

Matty doesn't have time for spell checking, hes too busy being awesome.

[KoBron83]

I am a member of mapmonkeys. They do not steal videos, if a glitch was found by someone else, they give the founder the credit. Also, they would make the website free, but the website is in need of funds, so they require you to pay to see the all of the features and videos from the site. Furthermore, yes, some do suck at glitching, same as here though, but you have no idea how much harder it is to strafe and glitch on console. Although they didn't pick the best glitchers from the site, because they had to be 18+ years old and the admins of the site are not necessarily the best glitchers. IMO the only really good glitcher that went to IW is Rezzzo. Everyone else is okay, but not great.

[Online_Addict]

Matty doesn't have time for spell checking, hes too busy being awesome.

Made me rofl tbh.

[JDogg]

I am a member of mapmonkeys. They do not steal videos, if a glitch was found by someone else, they give the founder the credit. Also, they would make the website free, but the website is in need of funds, so they require you to pay to see the all of the features and videos from the site. Furthermore, yes, some do suck at glitching, same as here though, but you have no idea how much harder it is to strafe and glitch on console. Although they didn't pick the best glitchers from the site, because they had to be 18+ years old and the admins of the site are not necessarily the best glitchers. IMO the only really good glitcher that went to IW is Rezzzo. Everyone else is okay, but not great.

And CoDJumper doesn't need funds?, set up ads tbh. Should I charge people to read my blog because I need money to pay for the web space?.

[Online_Addict]

And CoDJumper doesn't need funds?, set up ads tbh. Should I charge people to read my blog because I need money to pay for the web space?.

Your quickly becoming my favourite australian behind Steve Irwin. And yeah, charging people to watch videos is a bit meh if you ask me.

[aicaramba]

I am a member of mapmonkeys. They do not steal videos, if a glitch was found by someone else, they give the founder the credit. Also, they would make the website free, but the website is in need of funds, so they require you to pay to see the all of the features and videos from the site. Furthermore, yes, some do suck at glitching, same as here though, but you have no idea how much harder it is to strafe and glitch on console. Although they didn't pick the best glitchers from the site, because they had to be 18+ years old and the admins of the site are not necessarily the best glitchers. IMO the only really good glitcher that went to IW is Rezzzo. Everyone else is okay, but not great.

Thanks for your comment and explination.
The thing is. Its not that we really (atleast I dont) think that you guys suck at jumping. Its more because, as you said so yourself, glitching and jumping is much easyer on the pc, because of mouse control, thus better strafing and FPS changes (not sure though, havent ever played on console). Thats why it is weird they let the game being tested on console.
Also, I think some people are just dissappointed by IW, because they earlyer came to us for testing mw1, but then never went through in the end. Now IW not contacting us makes it seem like we relegated.
About the paying.. This website also needs to be paid for, and it is being paid for by some members, yet we dont charge people. The servers usually are being sponsored.
About the jumpstealing. I dont think you guys intentionally stole jumps from us, but its hard to believe that non of the jumps on your website were inspired by jumps found on codjumper or our youtube channel. There is no way we can prove you have and there is no way you guys can prove you haven't copied any jumps, but its very unlikely no jumps were borrowed.
This doesnt mean you would do this, but there is no way you can be sure non of the uploaders or jump performers have done it.

[Drofder2004]

I am a member of mapmonkeys. They do not steal videos, if a glitch was found by someone else, they give the founder the credit. Also, they would make the website free, but the website is in need of funds, so they require you to pay to see the all of the features and videos from the site. Furthermore, yes, some do suck at glitching, same as here though, but you have no idea how much harder it is to strafe and glitch on console. Although they didn't pick the best glitchers from the site, because they had to be 18+ years old and the admins of the site are not necessarily the best glitchers. IMO the only really good glitcher that went to IW is Rezzzo. Everyone else is okay, but not great.

Member? As in team member or a premium member, or just a freebie?
Videos submitted on that site are often found by someone, then someone else comes along and uses that video to create their own video, then mapMonkeys either post that video or they recreate the video themselves. Either way, the credit does not always come from the correct source.

Charging people to watch the same videos that can be found on youtube for free, is a scam. Maybe you should go back to the mM team and present them with a quick pitch taken from CoDJumper...

- Adverts (PPC adverts)
- Donations (Ask the team to pay a small donation, then ask your members)
- Sponsorship (We have 11 servers, all of them donated)

MapMonkeys have made an estimated £14,500, ($15 premium, 1577 prem-members).
If your site is costing you that amount of money since Mid-2006, then you need to get a new web/file host.
You host 625 premium videos. So, technically, you have charged £23 ($37) for each video that has been made, great marketing, but a total con.

The funny thing is, I can go pay my $15, watch every video that is premium, re-record them all, and upload them all on youtube, simply called "MapMonkeys Premium videos" and there would be nothing you could do about it.

The fact they have chosen to test their game on a console is annoying enough, without the rest of the topic.

[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

Or you could go watch the CJ showcases and pretty much most jumps are there. Ofcourse, some new jumps are found after that like District, Wetwork and Showdown but you get the point.

Anyway, that amount of money is pretty sick, figuring you can watch all videos for free on youtube.

[Rezzzo]

Hey guys, its Rezzzo.
I'm an admin over from mM, and one of the people who went to test MW2. (RyanMcCraw on twitter)

I just want to say some things.
- We charge to pay for the site, not to make profit.
-We are currently creating a new site design that will allow us to pay for the site rather than charging for premium, I can't wait until its done, I don't like the idea of charging for videos as much as the next guy, but when we started the site we didn't have enough members to create enough revenue to pay for the site by ads.
-Not all of the premium members we have had paid $15, users have earned premium membership either by uploading videos or being an active member on the community or submitting 1600MSP.
-I think cj is great, i don't have anything against you, but one of the reasons I believe IW chose us over you is because we do console, which they are more worried about console than PC, if they weren't then they would allow mods on console as well.
-We also got invited to test cod4:MW, but at the time we were under 18 so we couldn't.
-You can't steal glitches, all you can steal is credit for them, which we don't. I will admit back in the cod2 days though a member saw some of your videos and recorded it on xbox and uploaded it, and gave cj the credit, and it wasn't premium, if you consider that stealing then I'm sorry.


and we only had 2.5 days out there to test, its not like we found 100% of the glitches, and IW knows this, so there will still be glitches to enjoy in the game =]

[Soviet]

I'm going to stick with the previous inquiry as to how the hell a single domain name with (probably) unlimited bandwidth costs so much that you have to charge dozens of people $15 to keep the site open.

[Infinite]

I'm going to stick with the previous inquiry as to how the hell a single domain name with (probably) unlimited bandwidth costs so much that you have to charge dozens of people $15 to keep the site open.

exactly.

(to rezzzo) As for what you have said, if it is true, then I take back most of what I've said about you. The only comments which I have are: 1. whenever anyone mentioned "stealing glitches" they obviously meant credit for them, but there is no way to tell if you or for the matter, any of us stole credit from each other. Personally, everything which I have ever posted was found by myself, but I cannot state that for a fact that anything uploaded here wasn't stolen from your website, therefore I conclude that the whole credit argument should be dropped on our side, and your side (unless it is blatantly obvious that someone just re-posted a video and edited out the names in the credits to add their own). 2. Your host must never go down and be super awesome because if you are charging people $15 for premium membership and have earned approximately £14,500 to spend on your host, then either your host is just full of uber 1337 haxors, or you are being scammed.


EDIT:

if they weren't then they would allow mods on console as well.

forgot to mention that there would be quite a problem in doing that >.>. Unless you could create it on your computer and somehow transfer it to the xbox, it would be quite limited. It's not about how worried they are about consoles, it's that it would be rather complicated and limited if people were to somehow make mods by using solely a console.

[Soviet]

Not to mention the fact that the number of people on xbox with both the time they are willing to dedicate and skill to mod would be fairly close to 0.

[Rezzzo]

(to rezzzo) As for what you have said, if it is true, then I take back most of what I've said about you. The only comments which I have are: 1. whenever anyone mentioned "stealing glitches" they obviously meant credit for them, but there is no way to tell if you or for the matter, any of us stole credit from each other. Personally, everything which I have ever posted was found by myself, but I cannot state that for a fact that anything uploaded here wasn't stolen from your website, therefore I conclude that the whole credit argument should be dropped on our side, and your side (unless it is blatantly obvious that someone just re-posted a video and edited out the names in the credits to add their own). 2. Your host must never go down and be super awesome because if you are charging people $15 for premium membership and have earned approximately £14,500 to spend on your host, then either your host is just full of uber 1337 haxors, or you are being scammed.

Like I said, not everyone pays the $15. A lot of members have earned premium by contributing to the site, like uploading videos for example. And I would say that the majority of premiums we get now are through MS point cards, we use that as an alternative to ppl who want premium but parents wont let them pay. No, it doesn't pay for the site, but it allows people who want premium bad enough to have it. Also, we don't have unlimited bandwidth, I believe we have 1tb a month, which we do all of out hosting, including videos. We don't use a 3rd party site like youtube or anything. We have gone over that 1TB a couple of times, one of the big ones was when we released zzirGrizz's matrix montage (which I think was a mistake, it got us a lot of publicity, but it's a montage and we're a glitching site). And each time we go over we get a nice fine.

We also reward the community sometimes by either having certain competitions where they get a prize like a game of there choice, or if they upload more videos than most.

I know to all all this doesn't seem like it equals out, which it doesn't, but we don't have as much as you would think. Right now we have a little bit of money saved so when we do transfer to the new site and we no longer have premium videos, if the ads don't pick up at first then we can still run the site for a while without relying on them.

The main point is really that the money made on mM goes back to the site, it's not like mapMonkey or anyone else is using this money to buy a 50" HDTV, surround sound, a laptop and stuff.

EDIT: And I agree, the whole "stealing glitches" thing is stupid, every glitching/jumping website says that about another that they are competing with. Like you said unless they download the video and upload it themselves, then there really is no way of telling if someone got it off of someone else's site. Someone can find an already known glitch, post it not knowing it was already known and try and take credit. Did they find it by themselves, yes, were they the first to find it, no.

[Drofder2004]

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Don't get me wrong here, I do not believe you are pocketing thousands of pounds, I just think you are wrongly charging 'customers'. I am not referring to credit, trust me, I am one of the worst people to talk to about claiming credit. I am talking about simply using or re-recording videos and then using those as premium.

I personally see a forum with the amount of members you seem to have (although I guess many inactive or plain lurking) would be able to conjure up a donation to run an unlimited bandwidth website, with a little donations from the people who set up the site in the first place. Get some PPV/C advertising.

The fact you host your videos on your site is great, but having a subscription of over 4000 subscribers is hardly something you can ignore doing.

MapMonkeys, seem to purposely ignore the free options in development and web management, yet you still complain about needing premium members to host a site?
If it wasn't for the fact you are essentially a rival website, who, I would be happily showing you how to utilize a free website and pull in an untold amount of hits, not to blow my own trumpet, but the amount of possibilities you have not even jumped upon is unreal.

You run competitions which are great, but you suggest you are using peoples money to buy prizes?
So if for example Peds, KS and I, sign up for premium accounts, a competition is created to win a game, you now use our money to basically give someone else a game?

Who is profitting from this Microsoft points scheme?
Microsoft points are owned by Microsoft and are a currency used only on the marketplaces owned by Microsoft. So my only guess is that you are actually getting them to submit a code and one of the admins is using that code on their own account?
I question the legality behind this.

Once you get this new site up and running, maybe I will change my mind behind you way of doing things, but until then I only see self-gained interest...

[matt101harris]

lol i wish i was clever enough to argue/debate like u guys ooo very interesting . Is bouncing still posible? lol