Memorial Day

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you stated that belief and opinion were two seperate ideas. that's an epic failure to me. and it's not dictionary.com =)

P.S. I would use the word correct or true

[Soviet]

but it isn't correct or true unless undeniable evidence is put forth. And since no undeniable evidence was put forth I cannot use that terminology. And as for belief and opinion being the same idea, that is absolute crap. A belief is something you hold dear or something that matters, for example: God created the earth in 6 days. An opinion is something that you state which you have no basis, or a deniable basis in fact to support, but from your current knowledge consider to be the most logical view of it, for example: I don't like red shoes because they are ugly. Sure you would stand behind it in an argument, but if someone introduced a pair of red shoes to you which were quite attractive your views might be changed. An 'epic fail' is going by what dictionary.reference.com (happy?) without question or regard to actual variation. Especially considering that there are almost no two words in the dictionary that mean exactly the same thing.

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http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/ ... 1861589829

4. Opinion


I could've easily found many more resources to show you rather than just dictionary.reference.com.I Probably should have considering how you reacted, xD. and yes i guess you are right. "there are almost no two words in the dictionary that mean exactly the same thing." I can't really respond to anything else you said in that last post considering you spent almost the whole thing on defining opinion and belief.

P.S. I like P.S.'s, red shoes aren't ugly, they're hawt, and "it's fun to toy with other people's ideas."

[Soviet]

true that, and red shoes can be hot....

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what is this?





SPARTTAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

k, back to topic. I love memorial day for all the right reasons!!! YOU GET A FREAKING DAY OFF FROM WORK/SCHOOL. What can you hate about that?

[Soviet]

Very true, but it ruins my mood when I go on a forum and have to read about stupid patriotism, one of the things I hate more than almost anything else (besides people obviously). To quote one of the smartest minds of the last few hundred years: "Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons." - Bertrand Russell

rationalism is such a beautiful thing. And yes...it is Sparta.

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If that quote is true. I rather live than die. I rather have the guy next to me get killed than me.

If I'd be sent to a country, I'm not there to die. I'm there to stay alive and if possible complete our mission.

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If you base that fact they are winning on their ability to hide among their citizens and their knowledge of their surroundings then we should've won the war a long time ago.


How long does it take you to know your surroundings? We have been there for years, we also have satellite surveillance, we have just as much knowledge as they do about their surroundings, the fact they hide amongst their civilians is not going to win them a war.

Like I said, we here in the UK and also quite often in the US are free willing to post stat counts on our dead, but have you seen a death toll of taliban/terrorists?

Again, we see many times that "Iraqi's do not like our presence", which is bullshit, many areas in Iraq welcome our presence and were terrified of the fact we intended to leave after we liberated the people in that area.

Wars are a game of tug-of-war, you can never always be winning until you have won.

If you wish to bring belief into it, then proof is that the 'belief' terrorists are following are far from correct, no where in the Quran does it suggest killing "infidels" will grant you a holy death, which is why most suicide bombers are young muslims tricked or mislead by extremists.

Muslim extremism can easily be compared to Nazism.

[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

Is there a site dedicated to fallen soldiers in Afghanistan/Iraq ? Not just Americans but every country ?

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Is there a site dedicated to fallen soldiers in Afghanistan/Iraq ? Not just Americans but every country ?

probably is, google it!

[Drofder2004]

except Nazism was justified.

J/k

Everything is justified, it just depends on which side of the fence you sit on.

[Soviet]

If you base that fact they are winning on their ability to hide among their citizens and their knowledge of their surroundings then we should've won the war a long time ago.

We can't identify them as terrorists until they've already struck. How can you even comprehend that it is possible for us to win that war when we are never on the offensive. Sure, a small base is raided time to time, but that means virtually nothing. The soldiers are always trying to stay alive never, trying to defeat them.

How long does it take you to know your surroundings? We have been there for years, we also have satellite surveillance, we have just as much knowledge as they do about their surroundings, the fact they hide amongst their civilians is not going to win them a war.

People can live their entire lives in a place and not know everything about it.

Like I said, we here in the UK and also quite often in the US are free willing to post stat counts on our dead, but have you seen a death toll of taliban/terrorists?

Does it matter? They have a practically limitless supply of blank minds to corrupt with their ideals. Unlike in America and other places where every death is a demoralization, every death with the terrorists is an invigorization, a fuel for their hatred and their cause.

Again, we see many times that "Iraqi's do not like our presence", which is bullshit, many areas in Iraq welcome our presence and were terrified of the fact we intended to leave after we liberated the people in that area.

Like some of the liberal media have stated, people hate Americans and other countries there. But does that make them wrong simply because other people like them there? No. It is a split opinion.

Wars are a game of tug-of-war, you can never always be winning until you have won.

True, and how do you propose we go about winning in Iraq?

If you wish to bring belief into it, then proof is that the 'belief' terrorists are following are far from correct, no where in the Quran does it suggest killing "infidels" will grant you a holy death, which is why most suicide bombers are young muslims tricked or mislead by extremists.

Muslim extremism can easily be compared to Nazism.

But Hitler cannot be compared to Al Quada tactically. Hitler launched simultaneous invasions on three fronts that lead to his demise. He fought in open warfare as well. Al Quada hides and uses every small opportunity to inflict small wounds on the enemy. He attacks only what he needs to attack. If you want historical proof that his tactic works, look at the American Revolutionary War. The Americans were the terrorists in tactics, the British are the military in Iraq today. Is there a lot of difference between people marching around in red coats beating drums and white guys in obviously American uniforms riding Humvees and tanks into a city where you can be ambushed on every side? I 'believe' that those are facts that support my opinion.