Eminem - Not Afraid

[Drofder2004]

tl;dr.

Music is just the heading to the section of genres. It is not defined by the instruments being played, nor the choice of using words or not. It is not defined by whether your words rhyme or indeed whether the words even exist...

Music is simply defined as "artistic sound".

And while you hate rap and I hate dubstep they are both music.

[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

Rap sucks. Maybe the 'singing' is actual an art (Eminem for instance, he's just good) the actual music in rap is poor. Every 7 year old can manage that. It's just one simple riff for the entire duration. And there's actually very few who manage to do it different. Eminem does a good job at it. It's been a while since I listened to him but he's got some good melodies now and then. Atleast better than your average crap you hear on TV.

(Good) metal on the other hand, is probably the hardest to make in the world. If people don't like the singing in those type of bands, I can understand. But people saying that the music is shit, I just don't understand.

Insomnium are masters of music.

[Drofder2004]

Rap sucks.

Lets say music is the sound made by instruments (be it computer generated or actual instruments).

Rap is 5% music, 95% lyrics.

If you are listening to rap and think I don't like the 'music', you are missing the point.
Its like listening to dubstep and complaining there is not enough lyrics.

Do you listen to Metal and expect good lyrics?

[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

Yes, rap is all about lyrics. But then Soviet summed up how crap they all are. I just don't like rap, because for me, it's all about the music, I listen to the instruments.

In regards to metal, it's hard to come across a good band. I really enjoy the melodic bands, and often I don't like the singer.

Lyrics I don't really mind that much. But it's really cool to read them up sometimes. Some bands I can understand what they're saying, other bands I have no clue what they're saying It all depends on the singer. Insomnium for instance is pretty tricky to understand, but the music they make is incredible, one of my fav bands.

[Pedsdude]

(Good) metal on the other hand, is probably the hardest to make in the world

We've had this argument before. Just because something is very hard to make, doesn't necessarily make it entertaining to listen to. It's very hard to make a house of cards, but that doesn't mean I would watch someone do it for entertainment... Enjoyment of music is based almost entirely on the music itself, not the difficulty of it.

Rap is 5% music, 95% lyrics.

If you are listening to rap and think I don't like the 'music', you are missing the point.

Drofder summed it up pretty nicely. The reason why I like many of the rap songs that I like is because of (a) the thought behind good lyrics, and (b) the way those lyrics are rapped to the music.

Eminem - Stan is a great example of both of these...


... but seeing as many of the rap critics in this topic have said that they do actually like Eminem to a certain extent, here's a few extra examples which aren't by him:

2Pac - Life Goes On

(25 secs onwards if you want to skip the intro)

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - I Tried (feat. Akon)

(1:01 onwards to avoid intro)

Ugly Duckling - Turn It Up

(38 secs onwards)

Ugly Duckling - A Little Samba

(46 secs onwards)

Anyway, I won't post any more examples unless people want me to - I would imagine that most of you probably won't even listen to most of the ones I've posted above

I can't (and won't) defend all rap music, only the rap music I like.

[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

(Good) metal on the other hand, is probably the hardest to make in the world

We've had this argument before. Just because something is very hard to make, doesn't necessarily make it entertaining to listen to. It's very hard to make a house of cards, but that doesn't mean I would watch someone do it for entertainment... Enjoyment of music is based almost entirely on the music itself, not the difficulty of it.

You may not like it, but the music is good. It takes a shitload of skill. Atleast compared to other stuff. It's so underappreciated.

When people say the music is shit, they have their head too far into their asses. The music isn't shit. It just comes down to what you like.

But I honestly don't really see the skill in rap.

[Drofder2004]

You may not like it, but the music is good.

When people say the music is shit, they have their head too far into their asses. The music isn't shit. It just comes down to what you like.

But I honestly don't really see the skill in rap.

You may not like it, but the lyrics are good.

When people say the lyrics are shit, they have their head too far into their asses. The lyrics aren't shit. It just comes down to what you like.

But I honestly don't really see the skill in metal.



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[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

Explain to me what's so good about rap Drofder ?

[Pedsdude]

You may not like it, but the music is good.

When people say the music is shit, they have their head too far into their asses. The music isn't shit. It just comes down to what you like.

But I honestly don't really see the skill in rap.

You may not like it, but the lyrics are good.

When people say the lyrics are shit, they have their head too far into their asses. The lyrics aren't shit. It just comes down to what you like.

But I honestly don't really see the skill in metal.



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I lol'd.

[Drofder2004]

Explain to me what's so good about rap Drofder ?

The lyrics.

Inventive, creative, meaningful, funny, understandable.

Not all rap is the shit you hear, about "bitches".
I have showed this to a few other people, but check this guy out:

[Soviet]

Unfortunately genres are not defined by the handful of decent songs, rather they are defined by the majority that makes up the common view of the genre. In this case it is immature and far too often doesn't even use real words. If you try hard enough you can find a song in any for any genre that any single person will like.

[Drofder2004]

Unfortunately genres are not defined by the handful of decent songs, rather they are defined by the majority that makes up the common view of the genre. In this case it is immature and far too often doesn't even use real words. If you try hard enough you can find a song in any for any genre that any single person will like.

And many that they do not. ofcourse.

which is why nobody can call any genre "shit" because opinions are opinions and nothing more (Except dubstep, because we all know its shit deep down... )

[Pedsdude]

Unfortunately genres are not defined by the handful of decent songs, rather they are defined by the majority that makes up the common view of the genre.

Yep, but in order to show other people that a genre others believe is shit actually has some decent songs, you have to show some of the best songs in that genre. Also, pretty much EVERY genre has a large amount of songs that even fans of that genre would say are terrible. I don't think you can simply say a genre is bad because of the majority of the songs produced in that genre - people like artists within a genre, but for simplicity sake they say they like the genre. I like rap, hip-hop, dubstep, dance, drum and bass, etc., but in no way does that mean that I like every artist whose music comes under those categories. In fact, I probably dislike the vast majority of artists that are in each of those genres.

[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

When I think of rap I think of those rappers who (Like Soviet said) only 'rap' about money, sex, drugs and criminality and whatnot else. All those videoclips have those half-naked girls and lots of sportcars and gangsters in them. The best part is, you see a lot of that kind of crap on music TV nowadays.

[Pedsdude]

When I think of rap I think of those rappers who (Like Soviet said) only 'rap' about money, sex, drugs and criminality and whatnot else. All those videoclips have those half-naked girls and lots of sportcars and gangsters in them. The best part is, you see a lot of that kind of crap on music TV nowadays.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say, not all rap is like that. Even saying that, some of that rap is actually pretty good.