Derren Brown.

Post by **Drofder2004** » January 14th, 2009, 12:32 pm

He is not mind reading, he clearly states that he does not believe in the ability to do so.
Of course the only way you tobelieve it is to have it actually done to you, but with the amount of similar skeptics out there, not everyone can be impressed.

May I ask if you believe in the effects of hypnotherapy?

Post by **Pedsdude** » January 14th, 2009, 4:47 pm

Well, he claims he's not a 'mind reader', although his show is called "Mind Reader: The Evening of Wonders", which I guess isn't just a small joke. Anyway, saw the rest of the show, I wish I could get the hour plus of my life back. None of it was convincing. The only entertaining part was the gorilla bit which was well performed - the rest was just doing things with audience members which is too flukey to be classed as real in my mind.

He's effectively a magician. The number on the Â£10 note thing, the number on the badge, the scroll at the end, it was all well performed etc., but none of it will have been 'real'.

Drofder2004 wrote:May I ask if you believe in the effects of hypnotherapy?

Yes.

Post by **[SoE]_Zaitsev** » January 14th, 2009, 5:01 pm

No clue what this is all about. Some kind of youtube link or something else where I can see a bit of this ?

Neon · Post by **Neon** » January 14th, 2009, 5:41 pm

Pedsdude wrote:the rest was just doing things with audience members which is too flukey to be classed as real in my mind.

Flukey? In what way... you couldn't fluke any of that.

Post by **Drofder2004** » January 14th, 2009, 11:50 pm

Flukey? Yeh, the luck of him being able to reproduce this fluke 5 days a week for 2 months... Seriously he must be lucky...

Post by **Drofder2004** » January 14th, 2009, 11:52 pm

[SoE]_Zaitsev wrote:No clue what this is all about. Some kind of youtube link or something else where I can see a bit of this ?

It has only just appeared on TV, it may be ion channel4.com, but probably UK residents only...

The program was called:
Derren Brown: Evening of Wonders

Post by **[SoE]_Zaitsev** » January 15th, 2009, 12:37 am

Thanks, sounds interesting and fun to watch.

Post by **Pedsdude** » January 15th, 2009, 10:08 am

Drofder2004 wrote:Flukey? Yeh, the luck of him being able to reproduce this fluke 5 days a week for 2 months... Seriously he must be lucky...

What, so you believe from asking 1 question he managed to work out that a women wrote 'whip' on a piece of paper? I'd be more likely to believe in God than this rubbish.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » January 15th, 2009, 5:27 pm

Pedsdude wrote:What, so you believe from asking 1 question he managed to work out that a women wrote 'whip' on a piece of paper?

That is indeed how he presented the trick to be. However he spent more time with the woman more than just asking the question It is more likely that he put the idea of choosing whip into the woman's head through suggestion. That is one of the main techniques he uses. Derren brown has done tricks to guess people's pin numbers just through asking questions and looking at someone. You've said you believe in hyponotism, so why don't you believe in physcological tricks?

Post by **Drofder2004** » January 15th, 2009, 6:01 pm

If you can believe in the effects of hypnosis, I fail to understand why you do not believe in the effects of both mental persuasion and manipulation, it is exactly the same thing.

I also do remember, he did hypnotise a woman on stage at our event, but I cannot remember why or the circumstances leading to it :S
I think something to do with making the woman think she can mind read and guess cards. She thought she was getting all the guesses right without seeing the card, but all the cards she guessed were facing her when she was guessing. It was something along those lines.

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Either this link is to a actor paid by Derren Brown, or it was someone who was also at one of his shows and has his 'thoughts read'...

http://wongablog.co.uk/2007/05/02/derre ... f-wonders/

Read the bottom of those comments on that link to get a good list of possibly how some of it was done...

Post by **Pedsdude** » January 16th, 2009, 5:02 pm

Neon wrote:he spent more time with the woman more than just asking the question It is more likely that he put the idea of choosing whip into the woman's head through suggestion

He brought 10 people on stage, and other than asking her where to stand and saying "I already know what yours is" (or something along those lines), he said nothing to her. I fail to believe he could have put the word 'whip' in her head from such little contact or communication. As with most skeptics, unless he proves it directly to me, it's unlikely I'll believe it.

What about the oracle one at the end? If everything was as it seems, he must have simply been extremely lucky. Particularly with that guy from Uganda.

I don't disagree that he's a good entertainer, he's very skilled at what he does, I just don't find it entertaining because personally I'm a very skeptical person about these kind of things.

Post by **Drofder2004** » January 16th, 2009, 8:38 pm

Did I not link that earlier?

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