IMPORTANT!!!

[rebelater]

Hey my friends!


This is what I want to say:
When I started playing on your guys servers I started to love your guys work and the amazing jumpmod. But now suddenly everything changed, why? Well cause the new mod! Now I loose my jumpspirit, I don't really like it anymore, in fact I hate it now! And believe what I am now gonna say: I am not the only one, aloth of people agree whit me, not only noobs but also some good jumpers.

Why I hate it?
Well I will start whit why some people dont hate it: Cause they have high fps and don't need it! THAT'S WHY!!! But I think
almost 80% of the people that join the servers can't get 125fps constantly, that's why they want to hold the safeglitching.
Cause even noobs whit 333fps can reach some spots that good jumpers whit low fps can't reach. You know how frustrating that is? Ofcourse people whit hifg fps don't mind it...

Why hold it?
In first place we just have fun in it, we love it, don't take that way from us... Anyway do you guys really think people use this jumps in the normal game, maybe 0.00000001% of all the jumps you can do in the mod is usefull for in the normal game.
Don't say that this is not true...

Is this cheating?
If you guys say that safeglitch is cheating, well safing is a cheat then to, same for loading, even bouncing is cheating then, so if I make myself clear: THE COMPLETE MOD IS A CHEAT THEN!!!


I taught aloth about this and I maybe found some sollution so everyone can be happy, at least please think about it...:

MAKE 1 SERVER WHIT AND 1 SERVER WHITOUT SAFEGLITCHING!

I suppose everyone will be happy whit that, and I think almost everyone would find this a good idea...


Kind regards, rebel

[The President]

How is bouncing cheating ? its possible to bounce in normal servers.

I can see how u think saving and loading is cheating, but wasnt the mod made so we could practise jumps, that are possible?

[Soviet]

Hey my friends!

This is what I want to say:
When I started playing on your guy's servers, I started to love your guy's work and the amazing jump mod. But suddenly everything has changed. Why? Well, because the new mod! Now I have lost my jump spirit. I don't really like it anymore. In fact, I hate it now! And believe what I am going to say; I am not the only one. A lot of people agree with me, not only noobs but also some good jumpers.

Why do I hate it?
Well, I will start with why some people don't hate it. It is because they have a high fps and don't need saveglitching and bounceloading! THAT'S WHY!!! However, I think almost 80% of the people that join the servers can't get 125fps constantly, and that's why they want to keep the saveglitching. Because even noobs with 333fps can reach some spots that good jumpers with low fps can't reach. Do you know how frustrating that is? Of course people with high fps don't mind it...

Why keep it?
In the first place we just have fun with it, we love it, and don't need to take that way from us. Do you guys really think people use these jumps in the normal game? Maybe 0.00000001% of all the jumps you can do in the mod are useful for in the normal game.
Don't say that this is not true...

Is this cheating?
If you guys say that saveglitching is cheating, well saving is a cheat then too. It is the same for loading, and even bouncing is cheating as well. So, if I have made myself clear; THE COMPLETE MOD IS A CHEAT!!!


I thought a lot about this and I have perhaps found a solution so everyone can be happy, please at least think about it...

MAKE 1 SERVER WITH AND 1 SERVER WITHOUT SAVEGLITCHING!

I suppose everyone will be happy with that, and I think almost everyone would find this to be a good idea...


Kind regards, Rebel

we had a nice discussion about all this on server #3 earlier, and tbh, it is our fault for not taking it out sooner. It has made everyone who goes on the servers think it is a feature, or something to give added fun. It isn't. It is a malfunction in the mod that causes new jumpers to misunderstand jumping and more importantly, what CoDJumper stands for. It has gone too far and we decided it needed to stop. The decision has been made, no 'campaign' will change that decision. If you want more fun jumping on our servers, then by all means make some jump maps for us (decent ones).

Saving and loading is present so if someone falls they do not have to repeat the jump from the beginning. It is a nice way to continue where you left off, and in no way helps you reach unreachable places in stock servers. It simply makes the process more enjoyable and less frustrating. However, saveglitching and bounceloading are impossible in stock servers and are essentially exploits of the mod.

If you have lost your 'jump spirit' because of this change then you never had it to begin with. Saveglitching and bounceloading are not examples of jumping, strafejumping, rpg jumping, and bouncejumping are.

We might discuss making one with saveglitching, but tbh I highly doubt the discussion will even be that serious before the decision is reached.

[rebelater]

How is bouncing cheating ? its possible to bounce in normal servers.

I can see how u think saving and loading is cheating, but wasnt the mod made so we could practise jumps, that are possible?

Well yeah it was made for that but isn't it even more important that people enjoy it and love it?

Greets rebel

[rebelater]

we had a nice discussion about all this on server #3 earlier, and tbh, it is our fault for not taking it out sooner. It has made everyone who goes on the servers think it is a feature, or something to give added fun. It isn't. It is a malfunction in the mod that causes new jumpers to misunderstand jumping and more importantly, what CoDJumper stands for. It has gone too far and we decided it needed to stop. The decision has been made, no 'campaign' will change that decision. If you want more fun jumping on our servers, then by all means make some jump maps for us (decent ones).

Saving and loading is present so if someone falls they do not have to repeat the jump from the beginning. It is a nice way to continue where you left off, and in no way helps you reach unreachable places in stock servers. It simply makes the process more enjoyable and less frustrating. However, saveglitching and bounceloading are impossible in stock servers and are essentially exploits of the mod.

If you have lost your 'jump spirit' because of this change then you never had it to begin with. Saveglitching and bounceloading are not examples of jumping, strafejumping, rpg jumping, and bouncejumping are.

We might discuss making one with saveglitching, but tbh I highly doubt the discussion will even be that serious before the decision is reached.

Thx to correct my post! I was a little bit drunk that event

It simply makes the process more enjoyable and less frustrating.
Well the people with low fps getting frustrated and don't enjoy it anymore.

And for ones and for all: DO YOU GUYS THINK WE TRAIN THOSE JUMPS TO USE THEM IN THE NORMAL GAME?


WELL WE DONT!

We just play on this servers to become good in the mod and cause we enjoy it, not cause we wanted to do them in the normal
game... Thats bullshit, nowone does...

Kind regards, Rebel

[atze<3]

Anyway do you guys really think people use this jumps in the normal game, maybe 0.00000001% of all the jumps you can do in the mod is usefull for in the normal game.
Don't say that this is not true...

im using veeery much jumps in matches every day...
and there are tons of helpful jumps....

i hope saveglitch wont be allowed again... it sucks so hard :S

[rebelater]

The FPS issue is something that has always be present - and short of giving everybody a free PC upgrade it is always going to remain. The people with better PCs will be able to get higher FPS and thus do more jumps. We don't want it so that you have to rely on the mod to get to spots. With bounce loading you can ONLY get to the spots with the CoDJumper mod - which is pretty pointless. If we were trying to keep it exactly like stock, we would not let you save and make it so that your player takes damage - but that is not the case. We HELP you to do jumps that are possible (or impossible) but we do not want to introduce a new kind of jumping that is only possible with our mod, and one that people who are new the servers or even familiar on the servers feel is the norm, because it is not.
You say your post in a way that suggests the game is worse than before bouncing was discovered. The fact is, now you are back to where it used to be before bouncing was discovered - BUT with bouncing. We help people to find jumps and to practice them, we do not invent new types of jumps e.t.c, or we had might as well just set gravity to 10.

PLS think about it... Everyone would like it... I swear it! I am like 100% sure of it! Make 1 server whit and 1 server whitout safeglitching, then people can choose if they use it or not, and I can tell you now: nowone will play on the server whitout
safeglitching if they can choose...

Greetings from Rebel!

[rebelater]

Anyway do you guys really think people use this jumps in the normal game, maybe 0.00000001% of all the jumps you can do in the mod is usefull for in the normal game.
Don't say that this is not true...

im using veeery much jumps in matches every day...
and there are tons of helpful jumps....

i hope saveglitch wont be allowed again... it sucks so hard :S

Ofcourse you don't cause you are one of the people that have high fps...

rebel

[atze<3]

i dont have high fps :S

and why ur always saying EVERYONE wants the saveglitch back... thats bs
only the annoying kids who use it all the day on the cj servers and telling everyone "SPEC ME ALL!!!! IM OUT OF MAP SPEC ME..... IM UNDER TEH MAP SPEEEEC ME ALLL!!!!!!" want it back :S

and im not the only one who jumps on the cj servers to train trickjumps for matches etc..

here you can find some jump server with the old cj mod (with saveglitch)

http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php? ... &game=cod4

for example the ungarian one or alex's server...
but dont make it possible on cj server again

[helium]

I only get 125 fps, and I don't really care, because I can almost get to every spot with 125 that I can with 333.. I've never used save glitching, but 99% of the time I see people do it, is when they go to places you can't get normally. Not because they don't have the FPS for it.

But since more and more people whine about it every day, I think you should allow it.

[aicaramba]

Right.. The feature of loadbouncing has been taken off, because the new jumpers (and some older) think it is the idea behind the entire server, but as said before, it is a malfuction. If the new jumpers think it is needed, they will explain the coming new jumpers, etc, etc. If that keeps on, then hardly any jumpers do what the community is on about. As said before too: Its been taken too far.
The reason I got the idea of the jump & kill movie was mainly to show ppl what CJ was on about, doing jumps that were possible in normal servers too, didnt work very well .

About the fps. If u have bad fps thats bad luck, I used to have really low fps too, causing me not to be abled a lot of jumps. Now I have a new pc and do have good fps, thats simply my luck atm.

If u dont use jumps in the normal game/cant get high fps to do the amazing jumps and stuff.. Concentrate on easy to use/doable in normal server jumps. Im much more interested in those anyway. Dont tell me that theyre all found, because theyre not.

Other thing is.. The mod has been like this for ages, only at the end of cod2/cod4 saveglitching was being used.. loadbouncing in cod4 only obviously.
If u dont enjoy the mod this way, then you dont enjoy what codjumper is on about.. Though luck.
If a lot of jumpers would quit jumping because if it.. fine by me.
I'd rather have 5 jumpers in a server that want to find new jumps, then 16 players in the server of which 12 of them only use saveglitch/loadbounce.


If saveglitching or loadbouncing wouldve only be done to skip a jump u cant make/ is to hard to make in little time, then fine, It would not have been removed, but majority of the players in the server used it only, completely neglecting 'real' jumping. It was ruining the entire point of codjumper.
I expected to see a lot of reactions like this, but tbh, I couldnt care less.

[atze<3]

The reason I got the idea of the jump & kill movie was mainly to show ppl what CJ was on about, doing jumps that were possible in normal servers too, didnt work very well .

i think it worked very well
more then 3300 people watched the movie on youtube and both parts got ~20 ratings with 5 stars
most of the guys who wrote comments were really impressed about it


i have to agree 100% with the rest you said..

[aicaramba]

The movie was a succes, but it didnt stop ppl from using saveglitch.. which I kinda hoped..
Tried some other things to reduce the usage of it.. Telling ppl it is not the idea, or using server message saying: saveglitching is lame.. But no one ever responded to it the way I wanted.

Btw rebel. I didnt notice the servers getting emptied, its very full most part of the day.

[Drofder2004]

Mod Creator jumping in late....

The save mod, first started by Ezekiel, used as a camera placement mod (to take artistic work ingame), then later developed by Leveller to become a more useful and CoDJumper orientated mod, slowly and slowly things were added, tested and removed, bugs were fixed, poor coding was optimised, and now we are at the current mod, new and removed features. One of the problems with the mod before latest, is the Save-Glitch, an unintentional exploitable section of code. This is now fixed.

As a member of this site and fan of the CoD series since vCoD we have experienced one very similar exploit to a mod...
The save-jump glitch, used to climb a wall of nothing using a press of a button, giving anyone the ability to get anywhere they wish without jumping a single inch. This glitch was fixed, we received similar posts on the forum, time passed and it was forgotten.

Enjoy jumping the way its supposed to be done and eventually this glitch will be forgotten.

[The Dude]

From me a very big THX for fixing this glitch

Now ALL must learn real jumping and i see on the cj server the number from the glitch-only jumper decrease more and more - NICE

Now we can see who is to addle to sit on his ass and learn and who not


i hope there are not to many errors in my english