Relegation :)

[Drofder2004]

What's the difference between the premier league and my back garden?
There will be magpies in my garden tomorrow.


What's the difference between Alan Shearer and NUFC?
Shearer will be on match of the day next season


Driving through Newcastle, all you can see are road signs for Darlington, Doncaster, Leeds, York, Hartlepool, Bradford, Grimsby, Scarborough, Carlisle, Scunthorpe. Nice to see the travelling away Toon Supporters being pointed in the right directions for seasons to come.


What do Josef Fritzl's daughter and Newcastle United have in common?
They both went down crying.


Enjoy Peds

[Pedsdude]

Not really bothered, you're not a proper football fan so coming from you it means absolutely nothing.

At the end of the day, it's a part of the game and can always happen. You need bad periods to appreciate the good periods - that's why Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal fans are on average absolutely shit, because they EXPECT good things to happen and are silent at games until it does happen.

I'm looking forward to seeing us play in the Championship next season, will be a new experience and will sort out the shit fans from the good fans (not that Newcastle have many shit fans).

[Pedsdude]

What does a Newcastle fan do after his team has just beaten Real Madrid in the Champions League?

Turn his Playstation off and gets into bed with his sister.

That is officially THE oldest football joke in the world, and has been applied to almost every team.

[Soviet]

Not really bothered, you're not a proper football fan so coming from you it means absolutely nothing

I don't think you have to be a fan to have a reasonable perspective on the game. In fact fans typically have a highly biased and emotional perspective on the game, rendering them unable to really look at it logically. Therefore, anything coming from him about football probably means more than anything coming from you.

[Pedsdude]

Not really bothered, you're not a proper football fan so coming from you it means absolutely nothing

I don't think you have to be a fan to have a reasonable perspective on the game. In fact fans typically have a highly biased and emotional perspective on the game, rendering them unable to really look at it logically. Therefore, anything coming from him about football probably means more than anything coming from you.

I see. You're wrong.

As he's not a proper football fan, he doesn't appreciate what it feels to support a club through highs and lows. The match I went to yesterday had the best atmosphere of any match I've ever been to, and I am very glad I went. Because he doesn't really have a passion for a football team, he doesn't know the feeling and so in a way he's missing out. If anything, I feel sorry for him not knowing what it's like, but then again he's trying to throw jokes at me so ultimately I don't care if he's missing out.

Being a fan, I may have a biased view, however, I have an experienced view. You can't look down on people for enjoying games like this when you haven't experienced it yourself when it really matters to you. Therefore, I would go so far as to say that because I'm a fan, it made it even more enjoyable and when someone who doesn't understand that criticises you then you've got to ignore their inexperienced remarks.

[aicaramba]

Aww, im sorry to hear this peds.. Hope u get back in the premier league soon and not end up like leeds..

[Drofder2004]

I am not a "proper" football fan?

Just because I don't support a local, London team and I seem a glory hunter for following a top team, doesn't change my opinion on football.

Just because I do not spend my Saturdays going to watch football at a stadium and am happy watching live updates on Setanta news, or watching whichever show I can be graced with on Setanta (West Ham for instance yesterday) makes me no less a football fan than you.

Just because I do not keep up with current transfer news, or because I cannot name every member of a staff from the team I follow, or because my care for foreign football is not worth watching, again makes me no less of a football fan.

I have grown up a follower of 3 teams. Man United, West Ham and Ramsgate FC. Just because I do not actively follow them from stadium to stadium or watch every game they play, join each of their fan clubs, buy all their merchandise, own their 'colours' or cry when they lose does not mean I am not allowed to take the piss out of a team who had less chance of staying up than Anne Widdecombes husband.

Oh, and just for your knowledge, they were not my jokes, they were sent to me from Alan Hanson, true story. >.>

[Pedsdude]

Aww, im sorry to hear this peds.. Hope u get back in the premier league soon and not end up like leeds..

Thank you

In a way, it could prove to be a blessing in disguise. We've got a load of comparatively overpaid footballers who don't work well as a team, and this could potentially be a fresh start, helping us to build together a proper team of people who are more passionate about the team's success instead of their money. Hopefully we'll help to attract the best players in the Championship - we're now arguably the biggest club in the league and so we'll attract some of the best Championship players who will want the best chance of promotion and likelihood of making it in the Premier League.

I am not a "proper" football fan?

I meant it in the respect that I highly doubt you care about any of those teams anywhere near as much as I care about Newcastle's success. I didn't mean football in general, I meant care for a specific team to do well. My team doing well means more to me than your team/s doing well (obviously I can't know for sure just how much you care, but for the sake of argument I'm guessing this is the case, which it probably is.)

Just because I don't support a local, London team and I seem a glory hunter for following a top team, doesn't change my opinion on football.

You support West Ham, don't you? You don't have to support a local team, I supported Newcastle as a kid before I moved up to live in Newcastle. It doesn't change your opinion on football, but it does change your perspective.

Just because I do not spend my Saturdays going to watch football at a stadium and am happy watching live updates on Setanta news, or watching whichever show I can be graced with on Setanta (West Ham for instance yesterday) makes me no less a football fan than you.

Just because I do not keep up with current transfer news, or because I cannot name every member of a staff from the team I follow, or because my care for foreign football is not worth watching, again makes me no less of a football fan.

A good fan would at least buy one of the shirts to help support his team both financially and in order to represent / wear his team's shirt with pride. As for watching on TV, that's fair enough, although there's a difference between being a supporter of a team and actually supporting a team. If a tree falls in a forest and nobody's around, does it make a sound? Foreign football has got nothing to do with it, this whole argument is about supporting an indivdual team.

I have grown up a follower of 3 teams. Man United, West Ham and Ramsgate FC. Just because I do not actively follow them from stadium to stadium or watch every game they play, join each of their fan clubs, buy all their merchandise, own their 'colours' or cry when they lose does not mean I am not allowed to take the piss out of a team who had less chance of staying up than Anne Widdecombes husband.

What are your reasons for supporting Man Utd?
I didn't say you weren't "allowed" to take the piss out of Newcastle going down, I was saying that I'm not particularly bothered by your statements because from you they are practically meaningless. In my mind set, I'd accept it more from someone who's as big a fan of a team as I am, because if their team was relegated or lost an important match then I can mock them and they woudl equally be dissappointed. If it was the other way round and one of your teams was relegated, I wouldn't openly mock you because you would barely care at all about your club's demise compared to me and mine.

Oh, and just for your knowledge, they were not my jokes, they were sent to me from Alan Hanson, true story. >.>

It was obvious they weren't your jokes, but that's irrelevant.

[Soviet]

I'm sorry, but I still fail to see how extreme emotional involvement is relevant to being able to logically assess the ability of a team.

[Drofder2004]

I meant it in the respect that I highly doubt you care about any of those teams anywhere near as much as I care...

When presuming something, maybe you shouldn't make such a bold statement, and maybe a better choice of words would be appropriate. "Passion", maybe.

You support West Ham, don't you?

No, I follow them, their games and progress, I watch their matches if I get a chance. I was young and impressionable, no longer able to follow a team my Dad supported after he left, I followed another team. My brother a few years older was watching Man U and I followed.

A good fan would at least buy one of the shirts to help support his team both financially

If your view of a "good fan" is someone who, while unable to afford to keep debts at bay, should help finance some of the richest people in the world, you need to have a reality check of some kind. Pride is a psychological attribute not material, if you think that owning a shirt shows you have more pride than another, then I would consider you a fool.

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody's around, does it make a sound?

Depends if you mean by sound, you mean the hearing of noise or sound that could be heard if a human were to be present at the time of the tree falling. Terrible use of a philosophical question.

[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

The typical ''sigh, here we go again'' smiley.

[Pedsdude]

I'm sorry, but I still fail to see how extreme emotional involvement is relevant to being able to logically assess the ability of a team.

Has it occured to you that as a non-fan you will be negatively biased in this discussion? This argument isn't simply about the ability of a team, in fact, the technical ability of the Newcastle players is high enough for us to easily remain in the Premier League, they just don't work well enough as a team at times. At the end of the day, though, we've been relegated and that's the end of it. This argument with Drofder has sparked as a result of "coming from you it means absolutely nothing", which is more a criticism of the fact that he's not a 'proper' fan and so the jokes he posted don't mean much to me.

I meant it in the respect that I highly doubt you care about any of those teams anywhere near as much as I care...

When presuming something, maybe you shouldn't make such a bold statement, and maybe a better choice of words would be appropriate. "Passion", maybe.

The word 'proper' was clearly subjective in the first place, so I wouldn't say it was a bold statement. Passion is part of being a 'proper' fan.

You support West Ham, don't you?

No, I follow them, their games and progress, I watch their matches if I get a chance. I was young and impressionable, no longer able to follow a team my Dad supported after he left, I followed another team. My brother a few years older was watching Man U and I followed.

So which of those 3 teams do you support?

A good fan would at least buy one of the shirts to help support his team both financially

If your view of a "good fan" is someone who, while unable to afford to keep debts at bay, should help finance some of the richest people in the world, you need to have a reality check of some kind. Pride is a psychological attribute not material, if you think that owning a shirt shows you have more pride than another, then I would consider you a fool.

£40 maximum for a lifetime is hardly going to cause you to file for bankruptcy. I don't think that owning a shirt SHOWS you have more pride than another, a millionaire could go to games in full kit and accessories but it doesn't prove that he has any more pride than someone else. What I'm saying is that most, if not all, 'proper' fans have at least 1 shirt of their team. Also, it's not about wearing it to show to others that you have 'more pride' than another fan, it's to show that you're proud of supporting your team - to show pride, not quantity of pride. At the end of the day, 'pride' is also a subjective word, like 'proper' was when I was referring to 'proper fan' - clearly some people have more pride than others, and in many situations it is obvious to see, although at a certain point it's impossible to say who's a more proud fan. In the case of me vs. you, however, I would say that it's clear that I'm more of a fan than you, hence my original comment.

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody's around, does it make a sound?

Depends if you mean by sound, you mean the hearing of noise or sound that could be heard if a human were to be present at the time of the tree falling. Terrible use of a philosophical question.

I disagree about it being terrible use - clearly it wasn't going to fully represent my argument, but it was close enough to get a point across. If you support a football team, but you never go to any games or buy any merchandise to show your support, then are you really a fan? You're not helping the team out as you're not supporting them in any way other than consciously. You're not physically trying to help them to achieve victory, such as vocally pushing them on during games. As Damien Duff put it, "The 3,000 Newcastle fans who came down to Villa Park are the reason you play.".

[Drofder2004]

So which of those 3 teams do you support?

Well, according to your definitions, none of them.... but then according to your definitions, a high percentage of the fans are not supporters. I follow all of them, but because I own a shirt for Man U, I must be a supporter...

£40 maximum for a lifetime is hardly going to cause you to file for bankruptcy.

If it isn't that much money, why don't they just give them away?

Take this as a scenario. Man 'A' has no money. He has no means to support his club. He cannot get a shirt, or any memorabilia. He is unable to watch any match, he cannot listen to a radio, his only method of knowing scores is through asking other people. Man 'B' however, can afford all these luxuries, he has the shirt, the quilt cover and pillow cases to match. He has a season ticket, he travels abroad to see the away matches, he follows them everywhere.

Who is the bigger supporter, who has more pride and who is the 'proper' fan?

The scenario may be highly unlikely but the message is quite clear in my view. Material and money makes you no more of a fan than anyone else. Doing whatever you can by your own means is what (imo) defines a proper fan.

[WorldDomoNation]

I didn't read most of this argument, but i did read this:

I have to say - it is my belief that paying stupid money for match tickets + shirts is simply chucking money at over paid cocks so they can drive around in Ferrari's.

People who work 100x harder than athletes get paid 100x less...

[aicaramba]

U guys should look at it the other way around... Football players werent earning a lot of money in the past and they never really cared, but payment went up when more ppl wanted to invest more money in football, which isnt the footballers fault. I think they receive much more then they earn, but thats not their fault... It is their fault if they earn that money and start complaining about workload and stuff..