No quickscoping in BO

[Drofder2004]

H3CZ (the OpTic guy) Didn't know all the information because i have seen on JD_2020's twitter that he thinks the whole idea of quickscoping is cheap.

Er, wat?

Did I not address this already.
"H3CZ" said he agrees with the change to make it more of a challenge.

You and the rest of the 14 year old 'quickscoping community' have completly missed the point on what is being fixed.
Being able to zoom in and quickly shoot is not gone, the thing that has gone is zooming in to the centre of your crosshair.

So, if you are as you think amazingly skillful because you can "quick-scope" then you should still be able to aim and shoot quickly, without relying on a accurate transition when raising your scope (and at least for console, an auto-aim).

When you first sight-in, your sights won't be perfectly center. You'll have to take a moment to adjust (like a real sniper).

Watch from 4:18.

[ConnoR]

Sure, it is possible to quickscope and adjust to the new way, but its not a true quickscope that has been around from CoD2. The reason people are raging is because of the fact that Treyarch are altering something that doesn't need to be altered but don't bother with things such as noob tubes and last stand (Second Chance in this game) that actually need to be removed. But I'm still not convinced about it because in a tweet on twitter, JD said that no sniper rifles will any use for quickscoping. From this I'm thinking that they have changed it from the way it was in that clip.

[F |Madness| U]

Drofder, i think that H3ZE guy or w/e his name was is saying that he agrees that the quick-scoping shouldn't be like in MW2, where it was stupidly fast, but fine how it was in CoD4 etc.

As far as PC players concern I think quick scoping is pretty much gonna be the same as on CoD4 anyway.

[Drofder2004]

Drofder, i think that H3ZE guy or w/e his name was is saying that he agrees that the quick-scoping shouldn't be like in MW2, where it was stupidly fast, but fine how it was in CoD4 etc.

Yes, but MW2 is the current 'bar' that BO will be comparing itself to, not MW. So comments made by JD_2020 may say general, he does not mean general across all games, but general in terms of tactics. And with the current method it is indeed cheap due to the way the engine is coded to zoom to the centre of your crosshair instead of the new idea of zooming to an area inside your crosshair.

As you can see in the video posted, quick scoping still exists, but the dead centre accuracy is gone, and the player has to actually aim after scoping instead of before...

[ConnoR]

Ok, there was a poll on CallOfDuty.com and it was around 50-50, so they have decided too make it possible, but its going to be harder.

http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtop ... &start=470

Thats the post

[Drofder2004]

so they have decided too make it possible, but its going to be harder.

Are you just posting what other people say, or are you actually reading into the topics you are speaking of?


JD_2020 twitter:

@Herbert_Gun No. Quickscoping is a cheap way to play. We're specifically going to gimp Quickscoping, sorry. Play straight-up!
25 October 2010 04:54:33

15 minutes later.

@JD1010RU When you first sight-in, your sights won't be perfectly center. You'll have to take a moment to adjust (like a real sniper).
25 October 2010 05:09:47

He has already told you the method involved in counter-quickscoping, they have not since changed anything. I have said this countless times, I have even provided you with a video to watch that shows quickscoping in action.

Please tell me you are at least reading things?

[Hoogie]

/facepalm

[ConnoR]

Did you actually read the forum post that i linked you to? So yeah I have read into this abit more than you. They haven't decided how they are going to change it. What JD has said isn't finalised.

Thread locked. I am seeing multiple account creation which really isn't in the spirit of what we are trying to do with this.

My main point is made. Decisions are sometimes controversial. Communities are divided. For every person who doesn't like Quick Scoping I can find just as many who do.

Somewhere in the middle is the answer. Quick-scoping will be harder to do in Black Ops. How much harder is something we will work with you to figure out.

David 'Vahn' Vonderhaar

Seeing as you haven't read it, thats the post. They are going to work with the community to decide what to change.

[[SoE]_Zaitsev]

Only people who gives a fuck are those who use it frequently. There's also a factor of luck involved in this.

[Drofder2004]

Order of events:


JD_2020 - 25 October 2010 04:54:33
"Quick scoping is cheap"

JD_2020 - 25 October 2010 05:09:47
"Scope no longer zoom into centre, making quickscoping harder"

Vahn - "1 Day ago" (Earliest possible time: 47 hours ago) [25 October 21:00:00]
"Official Poll created/locked"

There was nothing NEW announced, the forum poll was just summarised because a large amount of morons took the oppurtunity for communication with a developer to try and sway results by creating multiple accounts...
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Just to summarise for myself as I'm still not sure if you are quite getting the message:

Quickscoping was never removed it was changed. They did not cave into pressure regarding a minority decision poll and a few youtube videos. The change that was put in place [random zoom centre] was already in place before JD_2020 announced it as being cheap. This was explained during the same question event as his original comment. Vahn has done nothing other than summarise those points.

[ConnoR]

And you know this for sure how? You work at Treyarch? No you don't so you can't know the exact details. Oh and stop treating me like im stupid, I have looked into this quite abit.

[F |Madness| U]

Rawrr

[ConnoR]

No one will know until the game is finally released. But from what Treyarch have told us, quickscoping is going to be possible, but will be harder and more skill will be involved. But thats just from what JD told us. Vahn said that its not finalised. Im not trying to prove you wrong, im just saying that you don't and can't know what changes they have made until the game is out. Oh and btw that video with gameplay you posted was from the beta that was accidentally released on the Xbox so they may have changed it from then.

[Drofder2004]

I don't need to work at Treyarch to provide these facts.
If JD_2020 says (AND I QUOTE DIRECTLY FROM HIS TWITTER):

"When you first sight-in, your sights won't be perfectly center. You'll have to take a moment to adjust (like a real sniper)."

Then I am 100% sure that within the fifteen minutes between when he said quickscoping and cheap and the time he posted that message, that NOTHING changed in the terms of game development regarding scoping.

What do you not understand about what I am saying, the facts I provided are quotes, not opinions of my own.

Do you honestly believe that approx 1000 people (there were little over 2000 votes in that poll) changed the minds of Treyarch into changing an entire module of their engine, when the majority of the opinion told them not to?