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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Pedsdude » September 30th, 2010, 7:44 pm

Rezil wrote:Yeah but you don't have any lengths. So it's corners only.
Well no, you can assign an arbitrary value of '1' to the radius and then work out relative lengths using that.
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Rezil » September 30th, 2010, 7:45 pm

Yeah but what if it has to be an exact value? Using sine will only approximate the value.
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Pedsdude » September 30th, 2010, 8:03 pm

It's a school maths problem, it'll be fairly obvious the angle comes up to 29.94 degrees or something, then it'd be 30 degrees.
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Post by Rezil » September 30th, 2010, 8:24 pm

Probably this, not sure tho. DEG and ACD are simmilar.
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Pedsdude » September 30th, 2010, 8:45 pm

How does any of that prove that AFB is 90 degrees?
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Post by Rezil » September 30th, 2010, 8:49 pm

It doesn't, it proves that corner BCA is 26°. So triangle BCD is solvable->corner CDB is 38°->64-38=26.
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Pedsdude » September 30th, 2010, 8:52 pm

GE || AC doesn't prove that AE || BC. Imagine moving the location of B on the diagram - it would change the orientation of BC but AE would remain in the same position.
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Coontang » September 30th, 2010, 9:15 pm

Pedsdude wrote::lol:

I completely agree up to this point (see attachment).
I already made that point about the extra line. But the question wouldn't usually have me drawing extra lines on so I'm assuming I shouldn't have to add lines. Also, F is not a perpendicular crossing, As if you draw it out slightly differently and more accurately you will see it is ~10 off at least.
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Rezil » September 30th, 2010, 9:30 pm

How did you draw it out accurately?
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Pedsdude » September 30th, 2010, 9:42 pm

Here's the 100% confirmed details so far:
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Tbh, I suspected from very early on that it's not solveable, and the more I look at it the more convinced I am!
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Pedsdude » September 30th, 2010, 9:53 pm

Not enough information. Could work out length AC but nothing else at all, you get stuck. Not solveable.
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Rezil » September 30th, 2010, 9:53 pm

Fuck you it's 26.
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Drofder2004 » September 30th, 2010, 10:10 pm

Pedsdude wrote:It's a school maths problem, it'll be fairly obvious the angle comes up to 29.94 degrees or something, then it'd be 30 degrees.
Genius in the making. You can see Einstein say "well, its close enough".

The question is not to guess it using a method but to prove it.

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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Husker » September 30th, 2010, 10:31 pm

Drofder2004 wrote: Q. Is this solveable
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Re: Circle Theorems Puzzle

Post by Pedsdude » September 30th, 2010, 10:50 pm

Drofder2004 wrote:
Pedsdude wrote:It's a school maths problem, it'll be fairly obvious the angle comes up to 29.94 degrees or something, then it'd be 30 degrees.
Genius in the making. You can see Einstein say "well, its close enough".

The question is not to guess it using a method but to prove it.
It would be using a method, it's simply using rounding. You can't be expected to go to 100 decimal places in a school question, they would be fine with 5. Rounding is not guessing in this sense.
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